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Scot- This is an excellent breakdown of the various pieces of the post-authoritarian project. Your historical examples are very helpful.

It’s encouraging to read that much of this infrastructure is already underway. Part of the work is to identify what already exists and how it can be strengthened in preparation for scaling once we win. This essay is important in that regard.

As a lifelong grassroots organizer, my questions are usually focused on who does what tasks. Clearly, the movement organizing the massive public protests cannot also be spearheading the organizing of worker centers. The challenge is for all the pieces you identify here to be happening simultaneously.

In our state, we have different organizations pursuing many of these tasks. The main disappointment has been the lack of activism from organized labor. Certain unions are very much on the ball. Alas, many seem not only calcified, but wary of activists in general.

It seems you don’t intend for your comment section to be interactive, but addressing this question would be very helpful for those of us in the trenches. Thanks for your work.

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This is long. Apologies.

I especially like that you have focused on actions that increase cooperation and community. I think that is fundamentally important.

But I also think that the question "what kind of economy" isn't sufficient. Certainly, an understanding of economic forces is important.

Full disclosure to the audience here which I expect to be heavily Left: I'm on everyone's side (Left, Right, Other). I do not see capitalism in the same way most people (Left, Right, Other) see it. I think my viewpoint will become clearer.

A nation, especially one as large and diverse as the US, will need to employ, and allow, many models for economic function.

What we need to do is to build a moral framework.

The main problem with capitalism as employed here is that people have mistaken it for a moral framework. It is not that. It is a recipe for getting things done. It is a tool. It uses 'profits' as the metric for determining the efficacy of any given production protocol. It does not make moral judgments about the protocols or about the thing being produced. The moral judgments must happen, but they are not in the scope of the tool.

The Left is entirely correct that exclusive focus on increasing profits (also growth, etc.), is a recipe for disaster.

But if you were to somehow magically turn the US into a 'communist' (etc) society, but leaving the current moral dispositions in place, that, too, could quickly become disastrous.

We already constrain capitalism. For example, slavery is illegal. I assure you that the use of slaves will increase profits. I do not recommend that as a business model or as a national policy. We can impose other constraints. The job of the capitalists would then be to figure out how to maximize productivity within the constraints. Done well, this can benefit everyone.

I also like that this article paints capital as inherently neither bad nor good. It is the basis of billionaire wealth. It can be used as a weapon to cause significant suffering. It is also the pool of money that certain agencies (e.g., the NIH) use for supporting activities that are in the interest of the nation. As stated, it is also the pool of money in the credit union to which I have belonged since the 90's.

It is not the use of profit as a metric that causes the inhumane treatment of people in the detention centers: it is a government whose moral framework views certain "bad" people as being expendable for the purpose of accumulating power and wealth.

But it isn't just the government. It is also the society. There is too much tendency to group people into 'good' and 'bad'. Doing that allows us to treat the latter as subhuman.

We must put people at the center of decision making. All people.

We must also acknowledge that forcing economic ruin onto a person is a form of violence.

And we must not allow those who have accumulated wealth to have a greater say in decision making.

Every suggestion you offer does that. These are good suggestions.

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